Posts by Rather Be the Hammer

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Quality of JW teaching from elders

by sir82 in

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there was a recent thread on the "quality" of converts to jws in recent years.

it wasn't a pretty picture, based on the thread contents.. well, the lack of depth isn't restricted to new converts.. in our clam this week, one of the principal points for review was this:.

ne 1:1; 2:1—why can we conclude that “the 20thyear” mentioned at nehemiah 1:1 and 2:1 is countedfrom the same starting point?

Rather Be the Hammer

We have the CO visiting this week. his talk was about Illusions and how illusionists and the devil act to deceive people. (After one minute or so I realised that he was telling true things if you filled in WTS instead of 'devil'. Create an illusion of truth. Distract people to make the 'impossible' happen when they not look your way. False messages. Big show. Make people believe your story)

Anyway he ended his talk by telling us about Houdini. How everytime he escaped out of being trapped in diffucult positions. Even once he was handcuffed and put in a chest and then burried.

and you know, thats what will happen in he end with the devil. He will be captivated and put in a chest and be buried (rev. 20:2,3).

😳 and then what? Escape like Houdini?

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Perfection

by purplesofa in

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i was talking to a friend of mine about perfection last night.. he made a comment that there was no way to have perfection, unless you made one thing and set that as perfect.

everything after that would be a copy and otherwise would always in some way fall short of perfect, the original creation.

we were talking about art.. and then he made a comment that god did not create us perfectly.

Rather Be the Hammer

I was thinking about perfection too.

JW always say: Adam and Eve were perfect and yet the were mislead by the Devil.

after that they were no longer perfect.

Were the no longer perfect because they made one mistake? What does perfection mean then?

Or was becoming imperfect the punishment for being mislead?

In my opinion, someone who is decieved or mislead, is not guilty, (okay, maybe of being stupid), So why punish them at all?

And then there's the future. JW will grow towards perfection, in 1000 years time. Of course at the end the devil will be around again, and we already know (now!) that thousands of perfect JW in paradise will follow the devil when he will be free again.

So what's the point of being perfect? Will you never make a mistake or a wrong decision anymore? No. You're perfect until you're not perfect anymore.

I don't see the advantage at all.

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FEB 2016 broadcast

by Grey Goose in

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it might be the craziest one yet..

Rather Be the Hammer

I just watched the beginning of this video. To me it looks like they are talking their way out of the abuse-case: whatever severe, gross and awful sin ... (Like hiding abuse, lying in court) It can be forgiven. Jehovah will not discard people who do that. 1-0 for the FDS.

But talking against Jehovah's spirit (read: being against his witnesses? Or having a lawsuit against them?) will never be forgiven. 2-0 for FDS 🙄

I think it's weird, until now the 'sin against the spirit' was something unknown, right? It was something quite blurry and vague. (Or at least it was until 2004 when I quit trying to understand the JW stuff.) How convenient that they now know the specifics of this sin against the spirit.

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I am SO tempted ! to join the FSM Church !

by Phizzy in

the netherlands has recognized the church of the flying spagetti monster as an official religion !!.

i am so tempted to join it openly, and see what the reaction of the jw's is, surely they should df me for joining another religion?.

but how silly would that make them look !

Rather Be the Hammer

I read the news too! I will never join another religion/cult but i do like FSM. Because they show how stupid religion is. My daughter wanted to join them at once, too. 😄

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Seriously....We have to start attacking this cult!!! Enough is enough!!

by DATA-DOG in

i propose that we make pintrest accounts and start openly challenging this crap.. .

seriously.... any suggestions?

this crap cannot be left unchallenged.

Rather Be the Hammer

Oh that's funny. I said to my still-in husband that maybe the next step would be a WT playstation game. This comes close. :-)

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Rather Be the Hammer

The question 'where else would we go' was not about a religion. That's a mistake a lot of JW make. It's what the Borg wants you to believe, that this question is about 'true' or 'false' religion.

But: The disciples asked where would the go if they were not with JESUS.

So if you feel there must be someone you want to stay with, (because 'it says so in the Bible') it's Jesus. not a religion. Or a cult.

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Would I lie to you?

by slimboyfat in

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given recent posts on the forum and discussion, maybe we could play this game: would i lie to you?

in the uk we have this tv programme where minor celebrities tell weird or embarrassing stories about themselves and the rest of the participants have to guess if it is a true story or made up.

when the others have voted then the person reveals if the story is true or false.

Rather Be the Hammer

Anders, I suspected them both to be true 😫 But thought you were playing by the rules. Lol.

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Would I lie to you?

by slimboyfat in

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friends

given recent posts on the forum and discussion, maybe we could play this game: would i lie to you?

in the uk we have this tv programme where minor celebrities tell weird or embarrassing stories about themselves and the rest of the participants have to guess if it is a true story or made up.

when the others have voted then the person reveals if the story is true or false.

Rather Be the Hammer

@Anders Andersen: I think the first one is true. I would be really shocked if it would be the second. (And if that's the case, did you feel guilty back then? 😳 Or could you really relax and see that stuff and have no fear of Jehovah knowing what you did?)

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Who thinks Wt is going to throw Vincent Tool under the bus if he loses his law registration.

by joe134cd in

just read speculation about this on another thread.

who thinks vincent tool, if looses his law license and becomes less useful to wt that he will then be reassigned to the field.

or is he just to big of a player to lose even with out a practicing law license.

Rather Be the Hammer

Best book ever, Crisis of conscience. Also available in Dutch.

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If YOU had to make the decision, would you respect a JW relatives wish to refuse a blood transfusion?

by nicolaou in

a few years after i quit the meetings my mum needed her medical directive signed and witnessed and she asked if i'd do it.

i was surprised to say the least!.

i think she was just angling to include me and maybe find some lever to get me involved again.

Rather Be the Hammer

I will respect choices of people as long as they do not cause danger/harm for other people.

If you see someone collapse, not breathing, no heartbeat, and you want to rescue him, and find out he carries a 'no resuscitate' (DNR) would you respect that?